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One of the interesting things produced by the Girl-Wonder.org forums is some artwork produced by people trying to illustrate the exactly how and why female comic characters are illustrated differently than the male. We're not just talking about the costumes, although it's a good start. We're talking about the poses, the blocking, the anatomy, the whole shebang.

So, I want to offer to host artwork people make where a male is put into a female pose, and I'm looking for female references. You know, the one you look and go, "bzuh?" The one that never would have got drawn if it were male. (ETA: for genderswapping purposes, so bad boobs will only work up to a point) My old favourite of this is this picture of Jade discussing her sexual abuse. But I know there's worse out there. Do people have any off the top of their heads?

Edit: Perusal of s_d's "boobs don't work that way" tag gives me this, this and this and oh dear god, this, if someone replicated this with a man I think the chiropractor-tasticness of it would be inescapable, oh god how could I have forgotten this, this entire post...


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Ooh, that'd be interesting! Are you sure you're not going to collapse weeping at some point, though? I'd hate to contribute to your death from exhaustion.

Google the following:

site:www.sequentialtart.com "bizarre breasts"

have fun.

Heh. Thanks! I really enjoyed the Bizarre breast feature, and have actually individually saved every bizarre breast column to my del.icio.us. It's just that bizarre breasts are a failure to comprehend female anatomy, and kind of don't work when gender swapped.

I could offer scans of the Wizard How To Draw series chapters on how to make your female characters "sexy". There's several chapters devoted to this.

In the first book alone you have the chapters "Women", "Sultry Women", "Realistic Women" (that one is by Terry Moore and the nice contrast,but it has exaggerated show and tell of the opposite), "Sex Appeal" (which only covers women, as it is by Michael Turner), and "Superheroic Women" (which is fabulous reading directly after "Superheroic Men" as the male chapter is all about drawing and exaggerating muscles, whereas the female chapter devotes its section to hip slants, pubic lines, legs, breast size, eyes and hair). Plus in the basic anatomy chapters there's the compare and contrast between how to draw men and women (like right away in the basic anatomy the women in the proportion thing always is depicted with a slanted hip line).

In the second book on character creation you get a chapter on body language which obviously offers "heroic" poses for men and the typical "sexy poses" for women, that horrible chapter on "Super women" which I have partly posted and of course "Vixens". The fourth has a chapter on covers that basically explains how to get the best porn poses...

I mean, it is explicitly taught how to draw that way.

Ooh! I remember when you posted that. Can I get a link?

I'd like to recommend anything from the original Gen13 series (or even the miniseries leading up to it). I don't have any of it on-hand, but I recall being horrified by the art when I read some of it.

Thanks. I don't know that series at all, but maybe someone does?

If you want a counterpoint of the comics approach to drawing versus actual life drawing, I can get you .pdfs of Andrew Loomis's work. He's what my sequential art teacher uses and they're pretty equal in treatment of gender. Also they're free to reproduce for educational purposes, so they could probably be used in a Girl Wonder article without copyright worries.

Also I could scan my one drawing book from the 1970's, where the women are photographed naked, but the men in jock straps, to protect... someone. I'm a little vague as to what the point was. But pretty much any art book I've found from around 1950-1980 does this. It becomes really funny in a sad way.

I'd also be happy to contribute gender switched artwork once some original works are picked out.

If you want a counterpoint of the comics approach to drawing versus actual life drawing, I can get you .pdfs of Andrew Loomis's work. He's what my sequential art teacher uses and they're pretty equal in treatment of gender. Also they're free to reproduce for educational purposes, so they could probably be used in a Girl Wonder article without copyright worries.

Well, I'm not sure what I'd do with them, but they do sound interesting! If you've got them handy, would you mind mailing me at sturdyandserviceable at gmail?

Re: Strange Anatomy & Poses

Oh, I did another one. Sorry.

Oh, d'oh -- I didn't notice that somebody else had already linked it! Sorry 'bout that.

if someone replicated this with a man I think the chiropractor-tasticness of it would be inescapable
Considering how jinormous that cleavage is, she'll likely have to see a chiropractor on a regular basis anyway.

Those amazons killed me; they're practically child acrobats with their backs bending that way, they couldn't walk like that!! And Witchblade, well maybe people can bend like that (in men's fantasies!!!) but damn her feet are more clubbed than an old-world geisha!!! :|

Hi! Surfing in from out of nowhere....

I tried to work this challenge, but I didn't remember it correctly, and now on rereading, I think I may have done it wrong. Hopefully it still fulfills the parameters. D:

http://redplasticglass.livejournal.com/153279.html

I forgot to ask, can I link to or host your art from girl-wonder.org?

I'm a new regular-series comic book buyer, so I'll sometimes pick up stuff that just looks interesting, like Detective Comics #823. It had Poison Ivy on the cover, and she's one of my favorite villans.

Instead, I get skin-tight prison jumpsuits, scenes of Ivy being attacked designed to highlight her chest and crotch, and the crowning glory, a full, "single-page splash of a pouting, nearly-naked Ivy pleading for help" wearing the remaining strings of her Arkham suit and covered in scratches. It's disgusting.

I couldn't find scans of it anywhere on the internets, sorry.

(The Robin is cute, though)

Ouch.

http://stephendann.livejournal.com/1114022.html?mode=reply

Yeah. Um. Ouch. Mah brayne hurts nowe.

I should know better than to take up challenges like this

I was just trying to sketch a bit before bed, so it's not pushing it too far. =(
http://naefox.livejournal.com/10157.html#cutid1

Forgot to ask. Can I link to or host this at girl-wonder.org?

I'm a superhero erotica writer and I hired a concept artist to do this sexy male superhero image (I don't know why my direct linking isn't working right now; click on the "Free" page) for my website.

http://www.racyli.com

It was quite a hunt because most of the male comic book artists I was in touch with had no idea what the hell I was talking about when I say I wanted an aggressively sexual male superhero. I know I might get attacked for complaining about sexualized images of women and then actively trying to obtain sexualized images of men, but I figure as long as everyone is equally sexualized it's ok. But the difference is that I admit that I'm selling sex. (And yes, I will be posting more sexualized male superhero images further on down the line.)

Part of what I write, and response is kind of a sarcastic response to the patriarchal themes inherent in a lot of comicbooks. I got fed up with them and decided to create my own stories. I found the best market to be the women's erotic romance market. Which I suppose has little impact on comic fan boys, but hey female romance readers economically drive much of publishing (which is why you see an Anita Blake comic book in development, but not a Superman/Lois Lane romance novel).

If you're actually paying for drawings of hot men, I'm interested. Check out my take on sexy superheroes or email me (vito dot excalibur at gmail dot com) for my portfolio site.

And yes, I don't mind that there are sexy images of women out there. I mind that there are only sexy images of only women out there. Anything we can do to redress the balance... :D