Betty ([info]brown_betty) wrote,
@ 2008-05-08 01:18:00
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Sometimes being a woman is indistinguishable from being the girl in the horror movie

I have been thinking recently about pregnancy. A couple of my friends are pregnant, and this is a really exciting thing for them: they want to be pregnant, in one case went to a fair amount of effort to be pregnant, and although it is not without its trials, they seem to be taking joy in it, and their joy is beautiful.

Then there is Joseph Fritzl. I find this case so horrifying that my brain only lets me comprehend it in pieces; I can't hold the whole of it within my mind. But eventually it occurred to me that in the twenty years of repeatedly raping his daughter, she had seven children. One might be an accident, but seven could only be deliberate on his part. Not content to imprison and rape her, he also repeatedly impregnated her, because he could.

And this isn't, actually, that uncommon: This 2007 study reports that in abusive relationships, about 1/4 of girls report that their partner is actively attempting to force pregnancy on them. Their rapists want to control even their reproductive capacity.1

More: Rape as a weapon of war occurs especially during ethnic conflicts:

In Bosnia, systematic rape was used as part of the strategy of ethnic cleansing. Women were raped so they could give birth to a Serbian baby. In Rwanda, systematic rape of Tutsi women took place during the genocide. Between 300,000 and 500,000 female survivors of the genocide are estimated to have been raped. MSF
Forced pregnancy was recognized as a crime against humanity in the Rome Statute in 1998.2

Oklahoma recently required, required, women seeking abortion to have either an abdominal or vaginal ultrasound, which she is then required to view (and 'think about' for one hour) but neither she nor her doctor may choose which. Here is how a vaginal ultrasound is performed. There is no exception for rape or incest.3

RAINN's statistics estimate a 5% pregnancy rate as a result of rape. They say that 34% percent of sexually assaulted children were assaulted by a family member. Six states in the US do not require a parent to be notified in the event of a minor seeking abortion. 22 states require parental consent.


  1. I nearly titled this entry "When pregnancy is battery", but then I thought, 'does anyone really need to see that when scrolling down their flist?' Yeah, no.
  2. (In searching for these links, I came upon 'feminists for life', where a woman argued that while a raped woman might initially feel some disconnect from a child conceived in rape, given a chance, they would bond. I can't even.)
  3. One more rather isane-o point: these people apparently have the idea that the pill is an abortifacient. (um, no) Their moto is "the pill kills." If that's the case, then so does your menstrual cycle, and if they want to legislate against menstruation, they can be my guest.

Honestly, this stuff is so horrible that I'm posting it mostly to get it out of my brain. You are really under no obligation to read it.

Hey, Corey Doctorow's Little Brother is available for free download, and contains zero rapes so far, y'all! It's nice and up-beat!




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[info]sharpest_rose
2008-05-08 06:47 am UTC (link)
BETTY THE MORE I THINK ABOUT THIS THE MORE NAUSEATING IT IS.

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[info]brown_betty
2008-05-08 06:53 am UTC (link)
I THINK YOU IGNORED MY CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS ON NOT READING IT, MARY.

Here, let me tell you about a delicious sandwich I just ate: THIS ONE except I didn't have any mango so I sliced an apple and I put in like, A THIRD OF A CUP of sour cream. And also the chicken was cold turkey. OM NOM NOM NOM.

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[info]sharpest_rose
2008-05-08 06:55 am UTC (link)
I like mango, but I eat not of chicken. So I will substitute tofu in my imaginary sandwich! Hooray!

I did ignore your instructions. I am like the proverbial wife of bluebeard. That was a proverb, right? About not doing anything men tell you not to do?

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[info]brown_betty
2008-05-08 06:57 am UTC (link)
Yes, I'm pretty sure that's the moral of the story. Although it's actually not as if she would have been safe if she followed his instructions, she just would have been ignorant.

So, like patriarchy, in a way.

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[info]sharpest_rose
2008-05-08 06:59 am UTC (link)
But! Her brothers would have ridden to her rescue whether she was ignorant or not (and how did they know to come save her, anyway?) so, uh -- perhaps it is a proverb regarding the inevitability of the patriarchy as a defining force in a woman's life, both for good and ill.

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[info]adn_heming
2008-05-08 07:37 am UTC (link)
It was a very, very incidental rescue. They were going to visit her that day anyway and luckily, they came just in time!

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[info]brown_betty
2008-05-08 08:03 am UTC (link)
The moral of the story is, er... stall for time and hope the dude who wins you likes you?

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[info]vassilissa
2008-05-08 07:26 am UTC (link)
According to a thing I read once (I think it was the liner notes to Bartok's Duke Bluebeard's Castle, and I think they were saying that that was the point of the opera) the moral of Bluebeard is that women need to respect a man's privacy, because if they go digging around in his past and take away all his memories, there'll be nothing left of him.

Yep. It's all about *him*. Not about the literal dead wives in the story, no. I loved that.

(A Kekszakallu Varam is actually a really good opera all the same.)

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[info]brown_betty
2008-05-08 07:31 am UTC (link)
asdfjkl; WUT

No, seriously, in this story, the wrongdoer is the woman, not the dude with ACTUAL SKELETONS IN HIS CLOSET?

Okay, that's um.

Now I'm trying to remember how much of the story of Bluebeard I remember: the part I'm clear on is that the wife opened the door she wasn't supposed to and discovered a buncha dead bodies, but I'm really not clear on what they were doing there. I have to go read up on this.

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[info]vassilissa
2008-05-08 09:04 am UTC (link)
No, seriously, in this story, the wrongdoer is the woman, not the dude with ACTUAL SKELETONS IN HIS CLOSET?

Yep. Special, isn't it?

Wikipedia has a decent (although uncited) summary of the opera. Also according to Wiki, the fairytale was based on a real person.

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[info]brown_betty
2008-05-08 05:43 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I read that bit about the real person thing, but-- well, other than the 'killed several people' thing, they don't seem to have much in common.

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[info]ratcreature
2008-05-08 10:14 am UTC (link)
Yeah. The Perrault version has a moral explanation at the end, and the first moral is that the female curiosity leads to bad things, and the second that this is obviously a story from ancient times, because in present day no husband would demand the impossible of his wife, because they are all under their wives' thumb.

ETA: You can see the morals section of the French version here:
http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/La_Barbe_bleue
and this page has a translation into English:
http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/type0312.html#perrault

Edited at 2008-05-08 10:17 am UTC

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[info]brown_betty
2008-05-08 05:37 pm UTC (link)
Dès qu'on le prend, il cesse d'être.

Yes, that's why she was so dejected: she no longer had the pleasant mystery of the contents of the cupboard to contemplate! *facepalms*

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[info]darchildre
2008-05-08 03:10 pm UTC (link)
Delurking to say that's why I've always preferred the Fitcher's Bird variant of Bluebeard, where the woman is clever and saves herself and the moral is apparently, "If you're in an abusive relationship, get the fuck out as safely as you can."

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[info]rubynye
2008-05-08 03:45 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for posting that.
*reads it and feels, if not better, at least a little empowered*

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[info]slipstreamborne
2008-05-08 06:20 pm UTC (link)
I've always prefferred Denise Duhamel's poetic take on the whole thing:

http://www.ducts.org/09_00/poetry/poetry_duhamel.html

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[info]brown_betty
2008-05-09 02:11 pm UTC (link)
This poem really helped me deal with the ugghhhk of some of this stuff, so thank you.

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[info]lilacsigil
2008-05-08 09:53 am UTC (link)
I always wondered what the first wife did!

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[info]papervolcano
2008-05-08 07:51 am UTC (link)
Headline in my paper this morning: "Fritzl: I am not a monster".

There is not enough WTF in the damn universe.

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[info]brown_betty
2008-05-08 08:02 am UTC (link)
World: "Yes, you are."

Why on earth would they publish that? Bah.

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[info]papervolcano
2008-05-08 08:33 am UTC (link)
Apparently, he feels media coverage of the case is unfair to him.

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[info]ratcreature
2008-05-08 09:17 am UTC (link)
WTF? What does he imagine media should have said? There is really no way to spin that story into him coming across as not monstrous. I mean, you could possibly do a range between sociopathic evil and criminal mental illness, but other options to depict him are kind of scarce.

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[info]papervolcano
2008-05-08 09:26 am UTC (link)
But don't you see? He's a good guy - he could have just killed them all. He didn't have to let Kristin go to hospital, he could have just let her die. The media don't have to be so one-sided about the whole thing. Link

I don't have the words for how sick this makes me feel.

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[info]sharpest_rose
2008-05-08 09:41 am UTC (link)
He has pointed out that a) he could have stopped feeding them, and b) Kerstin (the epileptic 19-year-old now in a coma and suffering organ failure and medical conditions related to the fact she's a product of incest, that he's thought to have raped as well) only got taken to the hospital because of him.

Let's give him a parade.

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[info]ratcreature
2008-05-08 10:00 am UTC (link)
Right. The mind boggles.

Actually I think in most cases where parents killed their children they end up looking less of a monster than the guy incarcerating and raping his children for over two decades with such dedication and planning, even though one caused death. I mean, the whole planning and dedication gone into it over such a long time is far further from the usual range of comprehensible human behavior than deadly violence by parents like with a parent shaking their baby and killing it, or even a parent neglecting a toddler for some months causing the child's death.

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[info]coffeeandink
2008-05-08 08:09 pm UTC (link)
I feel so mad that they published that! Thank you for continuing to evoke my nightmares by giving an abuser a platform to say what most of them say anyway, free press!

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[info]ash_in_your_eye
2008-05-08 10:22 am UTC (link)
I am without words.

I will at some point, I am sure, stop being surprised how stupid people can be.

Oh World.

sigh

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[info]weirdnessmagnet
2008-05-08 10:52 am UTC (link)
RAINN's statistics estimate a 5% pregnancy rate as a result of rape. They say that 34% percent of sexually assaulted children were assaulted by a family member. Six states in the US do not require a parent to be notified in the event of a minor seeking abortion. 22 states require parental consent.


In your opinion, what's the answer on this one? Should a certain age of minor require parental consent?

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[info]brown_betty
2008-05-08 05:30 pm UTC (link)
Well, I'm just trying to think of a case where I think a parent saying "OMG, no! She can't have an abortion!" is a good idea. I mean, to me, the younger the child, the more horrifying it is to imagine the parent making her carry the child to term, when she desires an abortion.

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[info]weirdnessmagnet
2008-05-08 10:36 pm UTC (link)
Hm. Yeah. I wish the more conservative states would make parental notification the requirement, rather than parental consent.

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[info]cereta
2008-05-08 11:46 am UTC (link)
You know, I had one of the easiest pregnancies known to womankind. Bitch of a time getting there, but I had very few negative symptoms, and what I had were more nuisances than anything else. And the thought of being forced to do just that horrifies me. The thought of a (potential) child I didn't want moving inside me horrifies me.

What really kills me about one of your statistics is that to hear the baby-and-mother haters (a term I use to distinguish the nutjobs in the childfree movement from the people who just, you know, don't want kids), women are forever "oopsing" men, getting pregnant on purpose when they know he doesn't want kids (because no man really wants kids). And yet? Turns out it's pretty damned often the other way around, and a lot more insidious.

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[info]brown_betty
2008-05-08 05:52 pm UTC (link)
Well, and biologically, pregnancy is a huge debit! I mean, when hermaphroditic worms mate,* they fight to be the one who delivers the payload, because being the bearer of young means a huge bunch of energy and resources are used up, while the the other one gets off more or less scott-free.

*leading to hilarious terms such as 'penis fencing'

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[info]saavikam77
2008-05-08 03:15 pm UTC (link)
I think I need to go look at pictures of kittens now. 'Cuz this? Is making me want to hurl.

I actually wrote a pregnancy as a result of rape into a long fic once. I'm not sure why I did, and I've been planning to take that part out. This is the final bit of convincing I needed. Gods, WTH was I thinking?

*vomits*

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[info]lisechen
2008-05-08 03:25 pm UTC (link)
Oh, please legislate against menstruation. Pretty please. Aheh. Aheheh. Ahehehehehehheheheh.



Also, barf.

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[info]brown_betty
2008-05-08 05:48 pm UTC (link)
Speaking only for myself, I have often wished menstruation was illegal!

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[info]minim_calibre
2008-05-08 03:46 pm UTC (link)
The news yesterday reported another ten year old girl gave birth to her rapist's child. TEN. (I say another, because this happened about 2-3 years ago in the region, as well.)

That's young enough to be a child of mine.

My wanted, hard to attain, hard to maintain pregnancy strengthened the hell out of my pro-choice views.

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[info]brown_betty
2008-05-08 05:48 pm UTC (link)
Babies giving birth to babies, min, it's so fucking wrong and tragic.

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[info]ilyena_sylph
2008-05-08 06:11 pm UTC (link)
Please tell me someone shot the rapist?

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[info]rubynye
2008-05-08 03:48 pm UTC (link)
In the last several years, quite a few of my friends had babies, including my roommate and best friend. These were all wanted children, some of them striven for, and the wonder and dedication that went into bringing them into the world was astounding and inspiring.

And if anything it hardened my pro-choice beliefs.

No one, NO ONE AT ALL, should EVER be forced to do that! My God, the very thought of being forced into a pregnancy makes my skin crawl *precisely* because a wanted pregnancy can be so wonderful --- and is so involving.

Oh, world. *sigh*

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[info]devildoll
2008-05-08 04:29 pm UTC (link)
Am I just imagining it, or has this been bigger week than usual for vile human behavior? I feel like every time I check my flist--oh, there's something else!

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[info]brown_betty
2008-05-08 06:33 pm UTC (link)
No, I'm pretty sure this is a "By the way, life is suffering, princess, anyone who says otherwise is selling something," week.

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